I feel like the screenwriters for season 5 really leaned heavily on the use of the word "fuck." It seems that almost any time any other curse word could've been used, they used the f-word just because they could. And it feels like the actors really put a lot of emphasis on it too. Oh, you'll know when it's in a sentence because they'll get noticeably louder while they say it, and they'll hang onto that beginning F for like a half-second too long.

Anyway that's my rant, still enjoyed the show very much, but hated how they killed off that one main character.

I've just finished reading all eight of the books (so far), along with all of the novellas (so far), and all of the comics too. Needless to say, I've watched each season at least twice, and the first three seasons more like 4 or 5 times... And, I still cannot find ANY clear indication of who it is exactly that killed the Canterbury, etc.

I mean, I know that it's someone related to Protogen, Mao Mercantile, and potentially Duarte/The Free Navy- BUT, it is never explicitly stated.

Who was flying it? Where/when did they get the ship- and exactly what kind of ship is it? Also: the stealth composites that it is wrapped with, where did they come from, and when?

And last but certainly not least:

Why did they set up the trap and attack the Canterbury in the first place? Was it honestly to try and start a war between Earth and Mars? Was it just to make a big distraction? As far as I can tell, it seems it was really just so that Mao could do like so many in history, and profit off of both sides of a war.

1: I've never gotten how they don't seem to protect the ships at all.

While yes I do get the whole "best defense is evasion or offense" bit, when 40mm AP rounds are slicing through your crew compartment, that's not a good thing. Why not provide the critical sections such as computers and crew as well as reactor housing with some measure of armor plating to resist damage? This would increase survival time and make a disabling hit much more difficult, though granted, sufficient density of impacts would still pierce the armor.

2: I think I've figured out an argument and a counter argument for laser CIWS.

Laser interception can destroy targets at a greater range and with much better hitchances. It also does not require ammunition, and can destroy armored missiles better.

However.

Laser weapons build heat. Fast. They also are affected by the inevitable amounts of space junk and shrapnel, both by the fragile nature of their projectors and the junk getting in the beam's path. Further, the systems required would pull a lot of energy and be quite vulnerable.

Also, side note, remember, gatling guns have an always extract policy, so any jams or stoppages will not freeze the weapon.

3: Personal armor protection of crews, and generally outside the ship.

You'd think that the Rocinante's crew would deign to at least buy some light plate carriers or something with how often they get shot at. That or they'd wear their Legitimately Salvaged light armor at least partially...

Also, why isn't the standard issue uniform given at least antifragmentation liner?

Pardon me if this has been discussed before or if it is covered in one of the books (I'm only a few chapters into Babylon's Ashes).

Does anyone have any thoughts on the implications of a stable human-proto molecule hybrid. One of that can operate free from the directives of the molecule's directives? Do you think it could break physics as Eros did? Might make for an interesting premise for the tabletop rpg. The universe's version of a magic user.

Pardon the nitpicking here: I have an issue with a question about when Bobbie sat to look at the ocean and Avasarala and Cotyar met with her there. If the sea wall around Manhattan was to keep the rise in the water level from flooding it (as briefly shown in the intros), then how could those people be along even a small shoreline in front of the walls? Moreover, how could there be such a large opening that looks like a drainage ditch, that is, even without a gate of some kind? Am I missing something here? Maybe someone could come up with a clarification or explanation. It is one of my favorite scenes (among many), but I've wondered about its location. I've thought as an alternative, Bobbie could have found her way to a place on top of the wall to look out at the sea. Thoughts?

In every reading order list that I have found for The Expanse "The Churn" is placed after "Abaddon's Gate. However, in "The Churn"

Amos Butler has not yet left Earth. That would mean that he could not possibly have been part of the crew of the Canterbury and, as the story progresses, part of the crew of the Rocinante. What this means, IMHO, is that "The Churn" should come before "leviathan Wakes".

Am I wrong? What am I missing? I'm so confused.

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I’m reading Cibola Burn, and wondering about the comms laser that the scientists use to contact Luna from New Terra. I would assume that a laser comm would be line-of-sight. Is this correct? And if so, aren’t they extremely limited as to who they can reach through the ring?

Having watched and loved this entire show, it has been on my mind. There are, however, many things that stick in my craw about the first two seasons. Mainly concerning the protomolecule conspiracy. Wondering if anyone can help me out here.

mau/protogen want to cultivate and study the protomolecule by unleashing it on Eros. The UN and MCR would normally prosecute this plan, so the mars/earth standoff has to be escalated in order to get away with it. To this end, they want to cause an international incident via a false flag attack on a freighter. So they aquire (or build) a martian distress beacon as bait, and build a small fleet of next gen gunships out of MCR tech.

Assuming all of this was planned before Julie tried to throw a wrench in things by attacking the Anubis, the Scopuli could not have been part of the original scheme. Improvisation? Did they decide to use the Scopuli as bait after they had captured her to add fidelity to the plan, instead of just sticking the beacon on an asteroid or inside one of the gunships? Perhaps they had another way to get a shipwreck they could use but Julie just gave them one so they said fuck it? Awkward.

The Canterbury comes, the plan is almost thwarted by the crew deciding to ignore the beacon. Lopez claims that it is common for ships to just wipe the logs and ignore distress calls, so presumably mau/protogen know this. Maybe they set up along a shipping lane knowing that eventually someone would check it out, since it only matters that it’s an earth corp ship, not necessarily the Cant in particular? They couldn’t have accounted for Holden’s altruism. Im assuming they don’t want to wait forever for a white knight to come along and are on some kind of time table.

In order to frame mars, it is essential to let survivors recover the fake beacon. So the gunship waits for Holden and Co. to pick up the beacon, nukes the canterbury, then burns out of there. Im willing to forgive the plan being put in jeopardy by the resulting debris almost killing the shuttle before holden can frame the MCRN, its a weird small thing for the conspirators to account for. Still kind of funny.

Then we get to the attack on the Donnager…?

The closest I can think as to why they would try to kill holden is they did not account for him sending his little skype call and it becoming a news sensation. Maybe they assumed he would be picked up by authorities, turn over the beacon, be debriefed, and sent on his way. From that point on the narrative would be in the hands of bloodthirsty politicians who would most likely call for war. The message turned Holden into a belt celebrity instead of just some space trucker, so if he recanted his accusation publicly it would actually be taken seriously… making him a liability?

Enough of a liability to attack the Donnager? Given the fact that the attack BARELY succedes at all, and if it hadn’t it would have just confirmed the MCR had nothing to do with the Canterbury? It seems extremely reckless that they would do this. Did they just assume that their stealth ship was so sneaky that it would not be seen at all, therefore no one would be able to connect the two attacks? It doesn’t seem like Holden and Co. did anything spectacular to get a good look at the ship that nuked the Cant.

Its already a spot of whimsy that Julie accidentally carries out the Eros plan, but it’s also emotionally tragic and crucial to what happens later. Makes for a good story. I suppose it just becomes harder to swallow as the other contrivances pile up.

At any rate, that’s all i can think of right now.

I was on the Barkeith page today and noticed that the Slideshow won't expand into a larger version of the image. Anybody else notice this?

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I seem to remember my uncle telling me that the feeling of gravity is that of constant acceleration. So how can a space ship produce gravity through thrust once it’s come up to speed? They can’t keep accelerating for their entire journey, can they?

Why did Alex need to die? Was there a contract issue?